CREO - First Impression?

[dgs]

Didn't PTC change kernels several years ago when they created Granite?If my memory is right, then there's no reason a kernel change in SW should cause anyone difficulty since I don't remember any complaints from when Granite was implemented.

Then again, Desault made a major change in Catia (kernel change? I don't know.) from V4 to V5 and I think the only way to bring V4 models into V5 is by dumb import.

 

[Mindripper]

I am not the same person as MarkEngr.I do havea number of professional acquiantances who are the same mindset about Pro/E vs. SolidWorks as myself, but I'm the only one who posts on MCAD Central. I wouldn't be such a loudmouth if I was the only one singing this song.


If the Creo 'release' wasn't premature, I don't know what else to call it. From the descriptions of it here on MCAD Central (and some comments elsewhere too), it has no new content: it's simply some different branding graphics (esp. at startup), without any change in the code (i.e., improvements and integration of the products). Does this benefit a user in any way? I think not. Does it benefit PTC Marketing in some way? Possibly, esp. when they hawking their wares to rubes who nothing about MCAD (or are just plain gullible).


Are there changes (esp. improvements)in the software functionality of any of the products now named 'Creo'? I'm not referring the big release planned for this summer: I'm talking about what was released last fall, when PTC rolled out this 'new product line' re-branded as Creo. I have asked this question before, and I'm asking it again. Indeed, that's what this whole string is supposed to be about. The only response I have seen so faris, in simple terms, 'It's the same set of products as before, with new names'. If this is true, I can't imagine a more accurate definition of 'pure marketing hype' or 'premature release'.

 

[dr_gallup]

Didn't PTC change kernels several years ago when they created Granite?If my memory is right, then there's no reason a kernel change in SW should cause anyone difficulty since I don't remember any complaints from when Granite was implemented.

Then again, Desault made a major change in Catia (kernel change? I don't know.) from V4 to V5 and I think the only way to bring V4 models into V5 is by dumb import.

PTC has certainly made changes and (hopefully) improvements to their kernel but it has always been their own proprietary kernel developed in house. They have been very good about keeping it backwards compatible. I can open files made 15 years ago with no problems. So the switch to "Granite" didn't seem to have much impact on users. The only downside is features made with the old interface still have to be modified using the old interface. Catia's kernel change was much less user friendly as all feature history is lost.

 

[dgs]

If the Creo 'release' wasn't premature, I don't know what else to call it. From the descriptions of it here on MCAD Central (and some comments elsewhere too), it has no new content: it's simply some different branding graphics (esp. at startup), without any change in the code (i.e., improvements and integration of the products). ... If this is true, I can't imagine a more accurate definition of 'pure marketing hype' or 'premature release'.

You're spot on, that's exactly what happened. Creo itself has yet to be released, but as a marketing bridge PTC renamed Pro/E, CoCreate and Product view as Creo/Elements Pro, Creo/ElementsDirect and Creo/Elements View. I guess I understand why, it gets the Creo name out there in the period between the announcement and the release this summer, but it was poorly handled. I came away from the launch event believing that these were the names of these parts of Creo moving forward. not teh case, it's only the interim renaming. PTC should have handled this better, you're right.

Companies do this all the time when implementing a new name, or when a company has been acquired, but it's usually handled better.

 

[kdem]

I noticed PTC is starting to put the Creo help documentation on the resource center. Looked through it briefly butdidn't see any major changes other than the ribbon but it's hard to tell.Says you will be able to customize the ribbon tabs and flyouts. Some things that appear to have been updated that I've seen people complain about are the sweep and helical sweep dialogs. Looks like it's been updated to be like the VSS dialog. Most the changes allseemed cosmetic from what I could tell. We might have to wait till next next summer to get the full Creo experience. Kind of like what happened with MathCAD. I've seen quit a few long time users that aren't happy with what happened.

 

[solidworm]

is there any whats new documents for CREO there? i'm eager to see the enhancements.

 

[kdem]

No help topics just the online help. The PDF files I saw were for the config options and Import Data Doctor.

 

[Moroso]

I was told by a PTC salesman that the Creo kernel is going to be the kernel from Product View Express.


I just hope that something changes toward the Creo platform with this rollout, not like they handled the rollout with Creo in October. Rebadged a POS.

 

[solidworm]

a snapshot of theB00 i found on the net. it doesn't look like a genuine Office 2010 interface, but its still neat:

 

[looslib]

The last source for reliable information is from a PTC salesman!


What's the difference between a used car salesman and a computer software salesman?





The used car salesman knows when he is lying!


Product View Express is strictly a viewer that allows you to rotate a model in space. There is nothing in there to allow for the robust parametric generation of geometry. To suggest that Creo will be using that for its modeling kernal, you need to get a new salesrep!


PTC has always used their own in-house developed modeling kernel, just they didn't give it the Granite name until about 1998 or so. Other companies where requsting to license the kernel for their CAM software tools, so PTC named it.


PTC's kernel was developed by the brother of the developer of the Computervision solid model kernel. Made for some interesting Sunday dinners at mom's house. Both are Russian immigrants to the US.

 

[Jacoolo]

I tried to fetch Creo for 30 days trail. After filling a survey, I`ve got a phone, and to summarize it all Creo is not in beta yet for end users, I must wait until june.

 

[Moroso]

The last source for reliable information is from a PTC salesman!


What's the difference between a used car salesman and a computer software salesman?





"The used car salesman knows when he is lying!


Product View Express is strictly a viewer that allows you to rotate a model in space. There is nothing in there to allow for the robust parametric generation of geometry. To suggest that Creo will be using that for its modeling kernal, you need to get a new salesrep!


PTC has always used their own in-house developed modeling kernel, just they didn't give it the Granite name until about 1998 or so. Other companies where requsting to license the kernel for their CAM software tools, so PTC named it.


PTC's kernel was developed by the brother of the developer of the Computervision solid model kernel. Made for some interesting Sunday dinners at mom's house. Both are Russian immigrants to the US."





Don't shoot the messenger, this is what the salesman said.

 

[Mindripper]

Why would anyone use Product View Express, when Acrobat Reader 9 (and later) does the same thing, and it's freeware? And yes, everybody has it. Does PTC charge any money for Product View Express?


I appreciate your joke. Moroso. But I think the PTC salesmen know they are lying too.

 

[dgs]

I think that Adobe has announced that it's suspending support for 3D. I don't think you could view native Pro/E with the free reader, though, it had to be saved as a 3D PDF.

Product View Express is a free viewer. Product View (full version) is not.

 

[SRINIVASANIYER1]

Why would anyone use Product View Express, when Acrobat Reader 9 (and later) does the same thing, and it's freeware? And yes, everybody has it. Does PTC charge any money for Product View Express?

Productview "Express" IS a freeware. PTC products are not as bad as you make it out to be

. Adobe 3D cannot read native Proe files nor does it have the capabilities for dynamic sectioning. Manipulating the views is AWEFUL in PDF mode. Why would anyone use PDF reader when you can view the files in native format with Product view express? I have been keenly following your views on Pro/Engineer and must say that they are biased with Blind Hatred. You might begin to LOVE it provided you approach with a more open mind.


My intention is not to offend, but only to make a point.

 

[MarkEngr]

The last source for reliable information is from a PTC salesman!


What's the difference between a used car salesman and a computer software salesman?





"The used car salesman knows when he is lying!


Product View Express is strictly a viewer that allows you to rotate a model in space. There is nothing in there to allow for the robust parametric generation of geometry. To suggest that Creo will be using that for its modeling kernal, you need to get a new salesrep!


PTC has always used their own in-house developed modeling kernel, just they didn't give it the Granite name until about 1998 or so. Other companies where requsting to license the kernel for their CAM software tools, so PTC named it.


PTC's kernel was developed by the brother of the developer of the Computervision solid model kernel. Made for some interesting Sunday dinners at mom's house. Both are Russian immigrants to the US."





Don't shoot the messenger, this is what the salesman said.

Believable from this end;
Edited by: MarkEngr

 

[dgs]

Adobe 3D cannot read native Proe files ...

Actually, Acrobat 3D could read native Pro/E files, as well as native SW, UG, Catia and a dozen other types I think. It could also then export them as IGES. However, that was for Acrobat 3D, not the free reader. 3D was the top of the line Acrobat product, above Standard and Pro and cost several hundred dollars.

Moot point now that Adobe killed it.


Edited by: dgs

 

[Mindripper]

I know nothing about Product View or Product View Express, and I don't work with anyone who uses them. But I work with many people who use Adobe Reader to view 3D models. Ithink a CAD model has to be saved as a 3D PDF to be viewed in Acrobat Reader, and I know that even moderately complex models have display speed issues in Acrobat Reader. But it's mostly machine shops and Purchasing who use this tool for fab parts, which are typically simple models in my world, so the display issue hasn't been a big problem.


If Adobe has abandoned this pursuit, it is truly unfortunate. Every CAD or PLM vendor seems to have their own unique solution. My company is now pursuing a solution that utilizes STL files: gah!


What does PTC charge for Product View?


I find it curious that anyone would consider me to have 'blind hatred' towards anyone or anything. I also find it curious that some Pro/E users still have blind loyalty to Pro/E over allCAD products- even products they have never seen or used. While I do take cheap shots at PTC,my intent is toencourage CAD users to explore other products. A diverse skill set and a knowledge of the marketplace can only benefit them. And it looks like even the most die-hard Pro/E users will have no choice but to diversify in the next few years: PTC's business plan seems to be clear. And the same can be said of other CAD products and their users, esp. SolidWorks.

 

[kdem]

One of the things I like about PTC better than Dassault is how they offer the student edition. For someone in my position this is great. This has been one of the detractors for me in trying to learn other CAD products. I have the willingness to learn, however, my needs and wants don't fit what they offer to some extent. For now ProE is the system of choice in my area andit doesn't appear that is likely to change.

 

[Mindripper]

SolidWorks has offered a student edition for many years, perhaps since it's initial release. They do charge $100 to $150 USD for a one year license, while the Pro/E student edition is free. Perhaps this fee is what kdem objects to.


https://store.solidworks.com/studentstore/default.php


This was one of the earliest marketing strategies, which followed the same very successful strategy used by Autodesk with AutoCAD. PTC followed them years later with the same strategy, once they realized (1) PCs were the future and Unix was dying, and (2) they were losing huge chunks of market share to their competitors because students were learning other products and sticking with them after graduating and going to work in the business world.