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CREO - First Impression?

'Baseless accusations', dgs? Everyone appears to supporting my contention, and they likely know more than I do. I remain curious as to what Creo will offer once it is actually released, although I am in the same boat as kdem: we are still on WF3 here, with a plan to upgrade to WF4 sometime this year - or perhaps next year.


We will never adopt Windchill here, so if Creo requires this PLM system, we will never adopt Creo - or at least not in it's intended form.
 
Mindripper said:
'Baseless accusations', dgs?
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That was (mostly) tongue in cheek, referring more to your frequent proclamations of SW taking over the CAD world while Pro/E rapidly fades into oblivion than this Creo discussion.
 
So it's starting out here in the Silicon Valley, just as I expected. Numerous recente-mails from PTC and their local sales guy touting the merits of CoCreate. Yeah, webinars and presentations, the whole deal. Why am I not surprised? I haven't responded to any of these sales inquiries, but if I did, I would have to ask a few questions of the CoCreate sales guy. It appears he knows little about Pro/E though, so asking him some ofthese questions may not be useful.


(1) Why should we abandon Pro/E for CoCreate?


(2) What is the future of Pro/E (or whatever name they are using for this same product)?


(3) If we are going to change MCAD software platforms, why go with CoCreate instead of a more widely used and compatible MCAD platform?


(4) What will we do with our massive (but largely useless) Pro/E database?


Kinda odd: I have received ZERO e-mails for months now from PTC regarding anything about Pro/E (or whatever they call it now). I used to get at least a couple ofe-mails a monthregarding training classes, new patches or releases and boisterous claims of successes enjoyed by their customers using Pro/E. Now they are all about CoCreate. It seems Pro/E is no longer a hot topic at PTC.
 
Well, in theory, Creo should be able to open both Pro/E and CoCreate files. What that will mean in practice remains to be seen, but my understanding is that there will be a common file type moving forward.
 
Funny thing in reference to Mindrippers mention of CoCreate and a sales push. We saw a huge sales push for it just before the big Creo unveiling in October. We were at first ensured that if we bought a license of CoCreate that whatever PTC was working on as project Lightning, the licensing would be transferred to whatever the new "Lightning" package was going to be. After the dust settled from the "Lightning" circus, err, unveiling, we've heard nearly nothing about CoCreate (other than the personal edition)and were told it wouldn't be a simple license conversion to Creo-whatever if we had bought licenses of CoCreate.


Is it wrong to assume that Creo is sort of joined at the hip to Windchill? Can't have one without the other? Some of the information I've seen seems to imply Creo depends on Windchill heavily. How different is this from what Dassault is doing with Catia? Sort of a "CAD tool is just an interface to the database storing all the engineering data" approach. What does this do to companies that are on Pro/E for their CAD application but use a non-PTC PLM tool? Or no PLM tool?


Erik



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While the Creo presentations have been heavy on the large enterprise data management side, I've seen nothing to imply that Windchill was necessary or bundled or whatever. Frankly, PTC has done almost nothing but large enterprise centric presentations for years but you can still buy a single seat of foundation an run it on a single PC with no PDM whatsoever.

On licensing, my assumption is that a Pro/E license will get you the parametric suite of Creo apps, a Co Create license will get you the Direct side and so on. There will have to be some sort of direct, normal maintenance upgrade or PTC will face a customer mutiny.
 
True, it could very well be just features like the AnyBOM functionality that would be lost in Creo without Windchill.


PTC has replied on the planetPTC site that licensing for Pro/E will transfer to the parametric Creo app. They'd be committing suicide if they didn't. After the Creoannouncement in October our VAR just wasn't willing to commit to a "yes" regarding direct license conversion ofCoCreateto Creo's direct app when it becomes available around Creo 2.0. We though that was odd when we were told yes it would before the announcement.


Personally I'm looking forward to the first release of Creo 1 just to try it out.If they come through with all the Creo capabilitiesas advertised (Creo 2.0...3.0?) it has huge potential.
 
Our PTC VAR came in and said that the first release of CREO 1.0 would be in March and CREO 2.0 would be released in August. March is almost over and I haven't seen anything yet. My engineering department has already agreed to NOT go to CREO until AT LEAST CREO 3.0 period.
 
I heard Creo 1.0 was scheduled for summer 2011 release with Creo 2.0 in late fall.


Creo 1.0 will work without Windchill as PTC has said they won't have Windchill/Creo interoperability until Creo 2.0.
 
if there will be a Pro/E+Windchill tandem up to be installed under Creo 2.0 introduction I doubt it would cost something extra. I doubt either it would be real Windchill funcionality. Single or several users team with a must of Windchill instalment? No way.

So, what`s then? Well. suppose Creo is going to contain Windchill version based on Windows database called Product Point - http://windchillproductpoint.com/index.html for free. Same thing happened in the past with Modelcheck, developed by another partner company Rand.
 
One of the links posted in this string points to a PTC Marketing slide show that says Creo 1.0 will be released this month (March), but I haven't heard even a whisper of any release actually happening this month recently.


Both CoCreate and Pro/E in their Creo form will have to work without Windchill, and perhaps the translator as well. Not only do many users not have Windchill, they have other PDM systems that cannot/ will not be replaced by Windchill. And as has been suggested here, some operations (even big ones) don't PDM systems at all. I worked for a large custom molder as a consulting product design engineer about ten years ago, where we had no PDM system. We couldn't use one: all of our files had to be compatible with our various customer's PDM systems, so we couldn't run one ourselves. Yeah, it made for some complicated recordkeeping, but we managed.
 
If it's the slides I'm thinking of and just read it doesn't give a release data for Creo 1.0. It gives release dates for the next date codes for what they call Creo Elements as the end of March. Maybe it's just marketing speak but that's how I read it.
 
That calendar doesn't seem to be correct because M060 is the latest available datecode that can be downloaded, unless I'm missing something. It's been 6 months since the last datecode came out, which is around twice as long as usual.

March 2011 is almost come and gone and no Creo. Am I the only one who thought it odd to have a big extravaganza about a new product and then not release it for another year? I'm sure this is all part of the PTC marketing warlord assassins' grand plan to whip up the CAD world into a frenzy. The rest of us counting on these tools to design and make products are left in some growing confusion.

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mgnt8 said:
The rest of us counting on these tools to design and make products are left in some growing confusion.
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LMAO!

I never count on anything PTC promises. Maybe in a couple of years they will deliver 50% of what they promise, then they will forget about the rest because they will have a new grand strategy and BOLD NEW GRAPHICS!
 
good news! creo shows edges in black!
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mgnt8 said:
That calendar doesn't seem to be correct because M060 is the latest available datecode that can be downloaded, unless I'm missing something. It's been 6 months since the last datecode came out, which is around twice as long as usual.
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If your download section is like ours date codes M060 and earlier are listed under Wildfire 5.0 & Creo. Later date codes are listed under Creo Elements/Pro 5.0. There are 3 listed for us M065, M070, and M080.


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