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Notebook for Wf 2.0 without VISTA

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Leonello

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Hi!


I'm writing to you just to ask an help: I want to buy a notebook to work with Wildfire 2.0, I found out this HP model.


HP Pavilion DV9315EA
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500, cache L2 2MB.
RAM DDRII 2GB, di 2 hard disks 120GB SATA 5400rpm.
Graphic card NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600(256MB);display WXGA+ 17" BrightView Widescreen (resolution 1440 x 900). Windows VISTA


As you can see the problem is the operative system VISTA. I asked if it is possible to substitute Vista with XP, but they answerd me NO, because HP should have taken away all the XP drivers, so it's not possible.NOW my question is the same: if one person want to work with Wildfire 2.0, which notebook could use? What I'm looking for is a notebook that features a 17" screen, 2 Gb of Ram and an XP operative system. Can someone help me to choose a new notebook that doesn't work with VISTA?


Thank you in advance for your attention and your patience.


Sincerely, Leonello.
Edited by: Leonello
 
I recommend you should choose Dell or IBM. HP's good for multimedia.
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I suggest a Dell M90 (or whatever their most recent offering is).
It can be found in their small business section. You can
configure them how you want and work wonderful.



DO NOT GO WITH AN ATI RADEON XPRESS VIDEO CARD!!!



I have an HP Pavillion DV8135NR laptop. I tohught it would work
okay with WF3. It had 1GB RAM, two 100 GB HD, 128MB Dedicated
Video RAM, etc. However, it appears that the ATI card does not do
OpenGL very well. Sketcher, as well as regens took forever.
It got to the point I could no longer use it to do anything but small
parts.



The Dell has been a Godsend and works wonderfully. It has a 17 in
wide screen, and seems fairly rugged, though I would not want to drop
it.



It was a bit expensive though. It was arounf $4,500, but
considering the HP cost $2,000 and was unusable, the extra cost was
worth it.
 
try using a single locked lic. instead of the flexlm server. Vista will not run flexlm. I use an old laptop running xp for flexlm and run pro/e on a dell p-690 workstation. I've heard that the single locked lic. works thru one of the PTC post's.


Good Luck
 
I just checked ad you can still order the Dell M90 with XP Pro. We've got a couple of these are they are good workstation laptops, but they are big and heavy. Not good if you actually lug it around a lot.
 
I use a DellM90 and its a nice piece of kit. Plenty of power in the processor, Video Card if an Nvida QuadroFX mobile version so no issues there and its got 4GB of RAM. You can definitely order it with XP pro as I have just got mine. Its worth paying a bit extra also fo the higher resolution screen as it greatly helps with working on ProE.


Downside are few, its big and heavy. The power pack, for 240V is big also. It a little pricey but I think worth every penny of it. If your in a company and they have an IT department see if they can get you a demo machine, I know I used to be able to that, you will see that the cost and weight are well worth it. I work on site with different clients and so I lug it around a lot. Mostly on trains and in taxis's. It worth buying a double shoulder bag so as you dont strain your back!!!!


Paddy
 
This posting belongs in the Hardware section, not the modeling section.


I recently purchased an absolutely wonderful HP nw9440. This is a mobile workstation, running Windows XP Pro and has a QuadroFX 1500M video chipset. I'm not running Pro/E on it, but it works wonderfully with SolidWorks. I paid $2150 USD for it last May, not including added memory. This price has dropped to around $1900 USD since I bought mine. There are more expensive versions available too. So HP does make lovely 'laptops' too - and at very good prices. Be sure to get a Quadro card though: these are intended for CAD applications, while the gamer cards (all ATI cards are gamer cards) lack hardware anti-aliasing.
 
Leonello said:
As you can see the problem is the operative system VISTA. I asked if it is possible to substitute Vista with XP, but they answerd me NO, because HP should have taken away all the XP drivers, so it's not possible.NOW my question is the same: if one person want to work with Wildfire 2.0, which notebook could use? What I'm looking for is a notebook that features a 17" screen, 2 Gb of Ram and an XP operative system. Can someone help me to choose a new notebook that doesn't work with VISTA?


Thank you in advance for your attention and your patience.


Sincerely, Leonello.
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Why don't you leave it as it is and install XP besides Vista, making it in a dual boot machine.


Alex
 
AHA-D has a great idea. I did this once to dual boot Linux
(trying to learn to use it, why I do not know) and it worked
great. You can alse get a program like VMWare or Microsoft's
Virtual MAchine (or something like that) and run a different operating
system right inside of Vista. I do not know how it would perform
though with something like Pro.
 
I would not try and run XP on a vista machine. WHen you buy this machine from HP/Dell/ Toshiba etc there are different setups for Vista, it runs very differently to XP.


In my experience HP design excellent hardware, like printers scanners etc, I have a number of HP devices and they have never broke down on me, but they are not great at machines (laptops /desktops) I have been in many companies that use HP machines and all of them are fed up with the machines.


But we all have our favourites Leonello, so let us know how you get on and what you decide to do in the end.


Paddy
 
I think that if drivers are available for XP for the machine you are
buying, it should be okay to run XP. And, if drivers are
available for both Vista and XP, there should no issues dual
booting.



The issue are whether the user can perform the installs and setup without FUBAR'ing their computer.



I agree however, if drivers are not available for ALL of the hardware
in a laptop, you are asking for problems or at the least, things not
working.



Jim
 
Has anyone tried ProE on a Dell XPS M2010? That one turns my crank. It's got a 20.1" screen.


Sip
 
Biggest thing to check is OpenGL support and lots of ram. If the
vidcard does not do full OpenGL (Gaming cards use a subset of the
OpenGL spec), then it won't be worth buying. Nvidia Quadros are
the way to go. They are made for 3D cad apps.



PTC has a page on their web site of supported hardware:

<a href="http://www.ptc.com/partners/hardware/current/support/proewf3.htm" target="_blank">

http://www.ptc.com/partners/hardware/current/support/proew f3.htm</a>
 
I haven't tried out the XPS M2010 but I own an XPS M1710 with a GeForce Go 7950 GTX and it's great for Pro/E. I'm using XP x64 and have also used normal 32 bit XP with it. You can do a quick software mod so you can run the Geforce 7950 as aQuadro FX3500M. I ran the OCUS benches before and after the mod and it's a huge increase in performance. Cheaper and better looking than the M90.
Edited by: bruppert
 
I'm using a Core2DuoPowerBook running Windows XP. It's fast as hell. If you're looking for quality, nothing comes close to Apple hardware. Next best would be Lenova. Both are way ahead of the rest, but Apple is about as far ahead of Lenova as Lenova is over the rest of the PCs. My data is Consumer Reports reliability ratings. Then there's the whole support side of things were Apple is even more better than everyone else.


Additionally, the LED backlit diplay looks incredible and gets better battery life,and theNVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics are running my large assemblies faster than any desktop I've used.


If you dislike the idea of getting an Apple machine, then I would go with a Lenova. In addition to have statistically better quality and support than other PCs, Lenovas also actually feel like they are much higher quality machines. Every other PC laptop seems to be made by the same Taiwanese generic manufacturers that the plasticky Dells,for example,are.
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conrat said:
I think that if drivers are available for XP for the machine you are buying, it should be okay to run XP. And, if drivers are available for both Vista and XP, there should no issues dual booting.

The issue are whether the user can perform the installs and setup without FUBAR'ing their computer.

I agree however, if drivers are not available for ALL of the hardware in a laptop, you are asking for problems or at the least, things not working.

Jim
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If you're not comfortable creating a dual boot (and also as a general common sense precaution) it is not that complicated to create an image of the C:drive before going ahead. That way you can return to the "virgin" machine at any time. I personally have good experiences with both Norton Ghost and Acronis True Image.


Alex
 
I use an IBM t60p with ATI's FireGL video card. It's designed to be a CAD workstation laptop. The only other laptop that I'm aware of that uses an OpenGL graphics card is the Dell M80. You should be able to order it with XP if not you can always install it yourself.
 
conrat said:
Biggest thing to check is OpenGL support and lots of ram. If the vidcard does not do full OpenGL (Gaming cards use a subset of the OpenGL spec), then it won't be worth buying. Nvidia Quadros are the way to go. They are made for 3D cad apps.

PTC has a page on their web site of supported hardware:
<A href="http://www.ptc.com/partners/hardware/current/support/proewf3.htm" target="_blank">
http://www.ptc.com/partners/hardware/current/support/proew f3.htm</A>
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how can i check if the machine is supporting OpenGL?
 
<DIV>OpenGL was supported by Graphic Card or Video Card (Vid). You can refer to Vid manual for detail, sanjeevkar1.</DIV>
<DIV>Have fun</DIV>
 
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