Some surfaces behaviour makes me confused

[[-Skint-]]

Jacek, not a bad start! I like it. Good choice of colours and nice layout.


I will have a look at it in greater depth later if I get chance.


1). Your headings are getting lost on your text boxes.... look at Pro Engineer News under your galleria box. The main titles in BOLD are hidden, this happens on all of them.


2). When are you going to link to the actual tutorials, news thread etc? Not sure if they are supposed to be up already, but clicking any links does nothing yet

3) Nice and simple gallery page. Looks good mate.


4). Assembly - Replacing missing components - The image is missing. Link broken I suspect. Its in the assembly section.


5). Thats it for now, back to work.


Great start mate.

 

[Jacoolo]

Hi Skint

thanks for visiting

at 1) place picture - from my side titles are bold and in black, and are visible

at2) all links forwarding to english content are disabled. I am working on translated pdfs, but it requires time, a lot of time

at4) thx for input, I gonna fix that this week

 

[[-Skint-]]

Hi Mate


1). This is what I mean. It doesnt make any difference if I am on the UK or Polish version.

 

[Jacoolo]

seems You use IE, or something apart of Firefox am I right?

well, shame is, but site is configured on Firefox Mozilla

but if it happens in Mozilla then something is really wrong

 

[solidworm]

good looking website!i liked the sliding panels and fade out effect in galeria.
what does "warsztat" mean?

 

[Jacoolo]

hm... it could have few meanings as long as in polish does the same

so first - it could be just Proe-workshop

but I am much more keen to see this name and general attitude to proe-garage

so the place where You can learn a lot just by ripping some stuff of, play with "the tools" and get dirty of grease(lubricant) and smells stinky

but having in the same time a feeling it was worth to spend this time there

I hope everybody reminds those moments with two-strokes bikes dissasembled to the single piece in the garage while being a kid - same as I do now

 

[[-Skint-]]

seems You use IE, or something apart of Firefox am I right?

well, shame is, but site is configured on Firefox Mozilla

but if it happens in Mozilla then something is really wrong

Yeah mate using IE7.


Cant you configure for both IE & Firefox. Im guessing IE is still the most common (50%) used browser with firefox 2nd (40+%). 10% Other

 

[Jacoolo]

let`s say, for me IE is minority... - that is my basis for web site development process

I do not use it, poeple I do know do same

Skint - You should really change Your habbits considering web sites navigation

...and the problem is - I really do not want to dig it deeper - both great browsers interprate html code in different ways. Tuning this consumes to many time and attention I can`t and couldn`t effort.

for sure I am going to address this problem in future

 

[[-Skint-]]

Fair enough mate, I have considered swapping to firefox

Dont believe everything you find on the internet...but :

1. Internet Explorer (Microsoft) - 84.5%
2. Firefox (Mozilla) - 11.41%
3. Safari (Mac) - 3.45%
4. Opera - 0.33%
5. Netscape - 0.21%


This one seems more realistic : http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

 

[Jacoolo]

During resolving some problems with surfaces I encountered funny behaviour which I am still confused with

I wanted to prepare simple surface as below



where sharp edge is intended and desired

I made it as BB surf



everything looked quite good until checking curvature plot - there were not desired direction chenges(area marked in red color)

 

[Jacoolo]

so I decided to make it with supporting draft surface to ensure better plot of whole surface

this "draft" surf was intended to be done with VSS+tangency option. However Pro/E failed to create such surface

"Reference entity assumed to be vertical or horizontal has changed orientation.
Please redefine the section."



I tried everything to push this with tangency - without succes. So I decided to make it as ordinary Normal to Surface - and for me it looks same as it was tangent whole trajectory long



The question is - Is this right?

but that was only a half way of my jurney. The final surface should vary with angle along draft surface. So I used draft surface as a base to create next surface with an angle varied form 90 - 75 deg

I wrote following relation to obtain such result sd7 = 90-15*sin(180*trajpar)

 

[Jacoolo]

the final step was to create BB surf on last VSS surf



again, everything looked quite fine until curvature check



funny isn`t it?

but that was only investigations, problems was solve by changing the sequence of created surfaces and general approach.

 

[Jacoolo]

I was - to say at least - surprised watching movie BMW GINA light related

see this link and realted movies - amazing

http://www.flylyf.com/bmw-gina-light-visionary/

 

[[-Skint-]]

Jacek, ive been seeing imaes of this car on Magazines for the last few months. Impressive stuff from BMW, the most ingenious design in the automotive industry we have seen for decades

 

[Jacoolo]

indeed, amazing stuff

there are moments those "movements" looks too "organic" to me, it looks like it was alive

anyway, seems guys form BMW still push car design envelope higher and higher...

Once, I read Audi equpied its R&D team within specialist of smell!

That is keeping an eye on details!

my last surfacing challanges - sharp transitions.

 

[Jacoolo]

two groszy more to the "sharp transition case"

take a look ont the pics and say what do You think about taken approach

first, let`s set the basis - there is pendulum jigsaw handle shown on pic below. One can indicate main body surf, handle surface, and special surf between handle and main body with a sharp transition, what I was trying to address



so at begiining I created main body surfs - no 3nd BB



then I prepared main surf for handle which is tnagent to main body surf at the rear side

 

[Jacoolo]

then I trimed all surf to desired conditions




I created first part of "side surface" which finaly will introduce sharp transition



after that I prepared auxiliary surface for 4nd BB to avoid 5nd BB situation. Finaly ctreating side surf on it

 

[Jacoolo]

last step was to trim side surface



and prepare missing surface



however I am still confuse about this approach becouse I introduces an additional "patches", which come from trimed auxiliary surface

I tried to obtain this "sharp transition" be creating special surface and obtaing side edge by intersection with main body. However still without success.

It would be easy if a handle surface would use main body surface as as base on the whole length, but the handle is getting narrowed closse to the front. So I assume it is only tangent at the rear side

any idea?

 

[Jacoolo]

I counted on some input

anyway, those sharp transitions confuse me a little bit by the way of handling them. i.e case introduced before was made within auxiliary surf done be BB, becouse of use of curve projected on base surface. It is easy to the that - project sketched curve to trace layout obtained from pics like photos

but then I feel, it is some how not ideal way because final surf consists of many small patches witch tend to "break" continuity of curvature plot.

So - one can say better is to create seperate suf and obtain sharp transition by intersection of main surf and that mentioned one

example:



on the pic above one can notice at least three sharp transitions. All were done within a different way. One described in previous post, another like this bottom one by use of seperate surface



however to obtain this surf made here by VSS I had to prepare another two or three auxiliary surfaces, so it costed me 4 features to obtain this result

so at the end - which way do You use - do You create sketched curve and project it on the surf and then use it to obtain final surfaces or You create special surfaces as in the second pic?

I assume with a second appraoch it must be difficult to met requirements which come with a points cloud model( I mean accurate edges must be difficult to tune)

 

[Jacoolo]

small progress in "jigsaw" challange